tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6263300365798803459.post4936971453943361658..comments2024-03-28T17:45:54.544+00:00Comments on Steve Does Comics: Wonder Woman #205 - the deadliest domino.Steve W.http://www.blogger.com/profile/09191442559702617745noreply@blogger.comBlogger38125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6263300365798803459.post-78715492435113777762019-10-24T11:12:35.866+01:002019-10-24T11:12:35.866+01:00I've found that panel, KD. Probably the uglie...I've found that panel, KD. Probably the ugliest one in the whole comic. It"s Mandarin, Unicorn, Electro and the Melter (not the Eel) with the Beetle standing there gloating (did Kirby originally have him blasting and Coletta correct him?). And they're up against Iceman, with Cyclops coming to his rescue. The combination of an eye beam, electric discharge, melting beam, unicorn power beam and unspecified Madarin ring power apparently causes a shattering concussion/explosion with lots of smoke.<br /><br />And the unfinished fight that frustrated me was Hawkeye vs Mr Hyde with Executioner vs Cap. The Enchantress is blocked off from Cap by the Executioner so makes a safe fall from the air towards Hawkeye, which Spider-Man snags with his webbing, Then it's off to the next scene. I can't help thinking Hawkeye, Cap and (if he hung around) Spider-Man took a huge off-screen pummelling.dangermashnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6263300365798803459.post-16707590258941477612019-10-24T00:19:02.893+01:002019-10-24T00:19:02.893+01:00At different points Mariah Carey & Sandra Bull...At different points Mariah Carey & Sandra Bullock were considered for a Wonder Woman movie. Mariah can't act, but Sandra can, plus she had great legs.Killdumpsternoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6263300365798803459.post-19192979205437236592019-10-23T23:17:29.565+01:002019-10-23T23:17:29.565+01:00I woulve loved to see the full battle of Thor vs S...I woulve loved to see the full battle of Thor vs Super Skrull that happened in the beginning. Mostly all the other fights seemed to have a finish of sorts.Killdumpsternoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6263300365798803459.post-83598875948794804892019-10-23T23:13:44.167+01:002019-10-23T23:13:44.167+01:00If I remember correctly the Torch was blasted by t...If I remember correctly the Torch was blasted by the Mandarin, Unicorn, Electro, and maybe the Eel? The Beetle just stood there spouting & gloating.Killdumpsternoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6263300365798803459.post-9414244310763040852019-10-23T22:54:52.261+01:002019-10-23T22:54:52.261+01:00I could barely make out my old pal the Beetle!I could barely make out my old pal the Beetle!Killdumpsternoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6263300365798803459.post-13591528486557667132019-10-23T22:39:41.776+01:002019-10-23T22:39:41.776+01:00Dangermash-
Agree there were panels in the FF wedd...Dangermash-<br />Agree there were panels in the FF wedding book that lacked definite inking, especially when they were packed with characters. The panel towards the end when the Torch was blasted by a group of villains had me double-checking as to who they were!Killdumpsternoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6263300365798803459.post-36638649856678158622019-10-23T22:28:33.307+01:002019-10-23T22:28:33.307+01:00As this is technically/unofficially Wonder Woman W...As this is technically/unofficially Wonder Woman Wednesday, I have questions to ask, oh my brothers:<br /><br />In live-action, who is your favorite Wonder Woman? Which one had the best legs? Who filled out their costumes the best? Which other actresses do you think could have played the part?<br /><br />Tossing out the big three, in order of appearance:<br /><br />1) Cathy Lee Crosby, height 5'8", first tv pilot for the character.<br />Poor girl didn't/couldn't make it her role. Having a full-body costume, script based on the "Emma Peele" concept", and being blonde just didn't work. Her modeling photos show that she had nice legs, but her facial features didn't scream "Diana".<br /><br />2) Linda Carter, height 5'11", 3 season tv series.<br />Out of the 3, she was the tallest (add on those 4 inch heeled boots and she was Amazon level). I believe her legs might be the longest. The first traditional portrayal of the character. A former beauty queen. Beautiful face, eyes, and hair. Though the costume seemed ill-fitted, she sure filled it out. A lot of charm in her delivery.<br /><br />3) Gale Gadot, 5'10", blockbuster film.<br />Excellent portrayal of a warrior. Very athlectic, maybe because of her stint in the Israeli army. Filled out the costume well, even though the design didn't present itself as overtly sexualized. Great acting with energy and sensitivity delivered when needed. Too bad the period wasn't WW II.<br /><br />What say you, oh my brothers?Killdumpsternoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6263300365798803459.post-3622669172063583692019-10-23T21:48:22.497+01:002019-10-23T21:48:22.497+01:00Looking at those FF issues they're OK. If I&#...Looking at those FF issues they're OK. If I'd not seen the work of Stone and Sinnott on inks we wouldn't be having this conversation but Coletta does look down to Earth in comparison. Everything is so much more shiny with Sinnott in particular.<br /><br />In the Thor strip, I'd marginally prefer Coletta but there's not much in it, and I imagine Sinnott could make Asgard look more like the scientific metropolis it is in the films. And if Coletta hadn't allowed Stan to spread him so thin and had time to ink Kirby without rubbing out background details, we'd have been marvelling about those Thor strips like they were Silver Surfer #4, Captain America #110 or Avengers #84.<br /><br />And it has tow be said the the artwork in FF Annual #3 (the wedding) is several steps down from anything in the monthlies, even those with the same Kirby/Coletta team.dangermashnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6263300365798803459.post-17536465794751217232019-10-23T20:49:49.813+01:002019-10-23T20:49:49.813+01:00Hmmm, his inks didn't work on Kirby's FF?
...Hmmm, his inks didn't work on Kirby's FF?<br /><br />Now I got to dig around for an Essentials collection. In my muddied mind I don't know if i agree with you or not.<br /><br />It would be good to reread those stories again, anyway.Killdumpsternoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6263300365798803459.post-87214759453434339092019-10-23T09:08:14.133+01:002019-10-23T09:08:14.133+01:00I agree with the comments about Colletta being a g...I agree with the comments about Colletta being a good inker for romance comics. I also think he was generally the best inker for George Tuska and Don Heck, thanks to his inks' softening effect of their styles, and he was definitely the right inker for Kirby on Thor. On the downside, his inks really didn't work over Kirby's on the Fantastic Four.Steve W.https://www.blogger.com/profile/09191442559702617745noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6263300365798803459.post-82334212072139820652019-10-23T03:42:07.892+01:002019-10-23T03:42:07.892+01:00Interesting discussion of Vince Coletta. Was never... Interesting discussion of Vince Coletta. Was never a big fan, but actually thought he inked Kirby fairly well (especially on Thor, as noted above). Just a doggone crime, though, about those backgrounds.<br /><br />KD- yeah, the Dreaded Deadline Doom seemed as much a part of Bronze age Marvel as Marvel Value Stamps. It seemed the Avengers, in particular, was vulnerable to that unfortunate fate. <br /><br />-Redartz (not sure what Earth I'm from, but it's probably the Bizarro World)Redartzhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08221459636234713619noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6263300365798803459.post-65631354570139637382019-10-22T13:37:00.919+01:002019-10-22T13:37:00.919+01:00It was bad during that time period. That's whe...It was bad during that time period. That's when I had subscriptions, be in the middle of a story & get a reprint.<br />Killdumpsternoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6263300365798803459.post-89902715790743328372019-10-22T13:31:39.533+01:002019-10-22T13:31:39.533+01:00Always happy to learn new things about favorite le...Always happy to learn new things about favorite legends. When I'd see Vince Coletta's name in the credits I knew it would be a good book, though I agree with you on the unacceptably of minimalizing the artwork for expediancy, Sean.<br /><br />As you said, Joe Sinnott,etc didn't slack on their inking.<br /><br />I can't remember how often the "dreaded deadline doom" showed it's face in the 60's-early 70's. I know it happened often on the mid to late seventies, though.Killdumpsternoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6263300365798803459.post-8264375574275636322019-10-22T12:38:11.307+01:002019-10-22T12:38:11.307+01:00Don't worry about it M.P., I do that sometimes...Don't worry about it M.P., I do that sometimes too (no doubt that'll put your mind at ease:)<br /><br />Thats right about Coletta doing good work elsewhere, and while I agree he wasn't a good fit for Kirby generally, I actually liked his inks on Thor (skiving on backgrounds aside). He added a texture to the pencils that gave them a somewhat olde world feel which suited the material, but would have been out of place on the FF where Joe Sinnott's hi-tech polish was much more appropriate (and in fact Coletta did balls up the couple of issues he worked on).<br /><br />But erasing the pencils was inexcusable. <br />So what if artists couldn't work as fast as Kirby? If you don't have the time, don't take on the work - Sinnott, Mike Royer and the others didn't cut corners on Kirby's stuff like that, so why should anyone else?<br />(As it happens, Coletta did actually have a Kirby-level capacity for work, and had a reputation for it - I recall Shooter in a Bullpen Bulletins editorial once promising a short interview with an artist who'd been around since the early days of the comic biz and had more pages credited to him than anyone else, who turned out to be Vince Colleta)<br /><br />-sean (the Earth-Prime one and only)Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6263300365798803459.post-43588485493544730582019-10-22T04:44:36.962+01:002019-10-22T04:44:36.962+01:00I somehow signed off twice there.
That's rathe...I somehow signed off twice there.<br />That's rather embarrassing! <br /><br />M.P. (the Earth-One M.P., I think. But how can I ever really be sure? Damn that Schrodinger and his cat.)Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6263300365798803459.post-65549044093187034142019-10-22T04:00:06.703+01:002019-10-22T04:00:06.703+01:00K.D., I think you're right about Kirby not und...K.D., I think you're right about Kirby not understanding artists who weren't Kirby! His art was always personal. Through it he portrayed different facets of himself, sometimes in conflict with one another.<br />Scott Free and Himon, or the Reject and Karkas, were, I think, his older self confronting his younger self.<br /><br />Or vice versa!<br /><br />On another note, John Buscema HATED drawing buildings, and said so.<br />I don't blame him. I don't know how guys like Perez did it.<br /><br />M.P.<br /><br />M.P.<br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6263300365798803459.post-22483149893114705242019-10-22T02:58:00.583+01:002019-10-22T02:58:00.583+01:00Now that I think about it, the artists of superher...Now that I think about it, the artists of superhero comics in the 60's into the seventies left very few panels without some kind of background. Usually that was kept for dramatic affect, Ditko's Spidey-sense lines for example.<br /><br />George Perez, and also Jim Starlin among others, would break up a scene with a artistic backdrop. I don't know if it was because of not wanting to draw more buildings, landscapes, etc, but they were asthectic and worked. Better than having multiple panels in a row blank with no reference to where the story is happening. Sal Buscema was notorious for that.<br /><br />On topic, Perez did a very good Wonder Woman.Killdumpsternoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6263300365798803459.post-53801580435491356182019-10-22T01:42:28.038+01:002019-10-22T01:42:28.038+01:00I'm a fan of Vince, MP.
Both sides of that s...I'm a fan of Vince, MP. <br /><br />Both sides of that story might need looked at. While I can understand Kirby was miffed about his backgrounds being marginalized, Coletta might have done it to keep up with his workload.<br /><br />Jack Kirby was a artistic genius, but but he also pumped out pages at machine level.<br /><br />Stories have been told that he could pump out pages over 20+ a day, with covers. That man had serious work ethic going on.<br /><br />Perhaps he couldn't understand that other folks may not have had the same zeal. Plus all that labor for ambiance gone to waste.<br />Killdumpsternoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6263300365798803459.post-19316751053545761862019-10-22T01:16:19.557+01:002019-10-22T01:16:19.557+01:00The very same, K.D.
Jack was drawing all these el...The very same, K.D. <br />Jack was drawing all these elaborate backgrounds and Coletta wasn't inking 'em! <br />That said, I think that Coletta was a good inker otherwise.<br />I don't think his style was a very good fit for Kirby's anyway. I can't really put my finger on it. He did good stuff elsewhere, though.<br /><br />M.P.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6263300365798803459.post-70982962809032946752019-10-21T22:28:10.752+01:002019-10-21T22:28:10.752+01:00Sean-
Go with what you know, oh my brother.Sean-<br />Go with what you know, oh my brother.Killdumpsternoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6263300365798803459.post-57516651617764696042019-10-21T22:24:58.039+01:002019-10-21T22:24:58.039+01:00Nothing personal Kd, but thats just complete nonse...Nothing personal Kd, but thats just complete nonsense.<br /><br />-seanAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6263300365798803459.post-85752283525554187682019-10-21T21:26:45.913+01:002019-10-21T21:26:45.913+01:00MP-
Was Coletta the guy that Kirby said he didn...MP-<br />Was Coletta the guy that Kirby said he didn't want as an inker anymore?<br /><br />I read a story about Kirby wasn't happy about his articulated backgrounds being wiped out. He did say he didn't want the guy to lose his job.Killdumpsternoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6263300365798803459.post-33381606760604953652019-10-21T21:15:46.828+01:002019-10-21T21:15:46.828+01:00While WW #205 has a great cover, there's so mu...While WW #205 has a great cover, there's so much earlier great WW bondage art. That was always the extent of my enthusiasm for Wonder Woman. That and the female villain catfights.<br /><br />I'm a borderline perv, and proud of it.<br /><br />Always thought that the Cheetah ought to be in a bikini, like Tigra.Killdumpsternoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6263300365798803459.post-3713107158433103852019-10-21T20:10:53.917+01:002019-10-21T20:10:53.917+01:00WW Wednesday would be alright, if the subject drif...WW Wednesday would be alright, if the subject drifted to the leggy glory of Linda Carter.Killdumpsternoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6263300365798803459.post-40525453215002029232019-10-21T19:40:12.731+01:002019-10-21T19:40:12.731+01:00Sean, I must confess that, when I was writing this...Sean, I must confess that, when I was writing this review, I was suddenly struck by an urge to launch, "Wonder Woman Wednesday," as a feature.<br /><br />Then I thought better of it.Steve W.https://www.blogger.com/profile/09191442559702617745noreply@blogger.com