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Sunday, 10 November 2024

Forty years ago today - November 1984.

Thanks to Charlie Horse 47 and Killdumpster for their sponsorship of this post, via the magic of Patreon
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Let us, once more, visit the past and see what secrets and wonders it contains.

Thor #349

Things are about to start getting serious, with Surtur and his legions all set to invade the planet Earth.

Or, at least, New York City which, in the Marvel Universe, is practically the same thing.

Still, at least there's time for Odin to tell Thor all about the time he and his brothers first encountered the giant fire demon, in days long gone.

But what's this? Roger's starting to get suspicious that Lorelei might not be the ordinary, everyday gal she claims to be?

Fantastic Four #272

Reed Richards' dad's time machine takes the gang back to the days of the Wild West.

Or does it?

How come there's hi-tech all over the place?

And just what do the locals know of Reed's missing father?

You know?

The scientific genius?

The one who was an expert at creating hi-tech?

And went missing after using his time machine to travel to the Wild West?

The Uncanny X-Men #187, the Dire Wraiths

I remember this issue as being one long, non-stop fight, as Storm and Rogue must stave off the Dire Wraiths' siege of Forge's apartment - even though Storm no longer has her mutant powers and no one can be sure anyone is who they claim to be!

The Spectacular Spider-Man #96, Cloak, Dagger and Silverman

The reanimated cyborg corpse that is Silvermane is still on the rampage and still determined to reclaim a fragment of his missing soul from Dagger.

And it appears nothing can stop him. Not even Cloak, Dagger, Spidey, the Kingpin, the Answer and the Black Cat all working together!

But does, as it seems, the attempt cause the death of the Answer?

You have to hope so. He's quite annoying.

The Incredible Hulk #301

Thanks to Dr Strange, the green one finds himself on a baffling planet from which he can enter other worlds. Any one of which may prove a suitable home for him.

One of those worlds is a land inhabited by a giant child who views him as a doll for her to play with.

Needless to say, that's never going to provide him with the level of violence he's looking for.

And, so, he sets off to find an environment more suited to his unique temperament.

Captain America #299

The aged Steve Rogers is still battling it out with the aged Red Skull who's eagerly looking forward to both their deaths.

But there may be a fate in store for the villain that's even worse than extinction because Baron Zemo and Mother Superior are not at all pleased with him, while the Falcon and Nomad have escaped the prison he put them in and are looking to introduce his jaw to their all-American fists.

The Avengers #249, Demon-Storm

It's a mighty and sensational crossover with Thor's book because, while the thunder god's own mag only tells us about Surtur's invasion of New York, this month's Avengers actually shows it!

It's true. The son of Odin unites with the Avengers and Fantastic Four to try and stop the big red thug and his big bad army from causing nothing but trouble wherever they go.

And I've got a feeling that might not be all. Because I do suspect that Beta Ray Bill may be about to make his senses-shattering comeback!

Daredevil #212, the Kingpin

Daredevil and the Kingpin team up to bring down Micah Synn.

I'm not totally sure why Kingie needs Daredevil's help for that but there you go.

Meanwhile, Foggy Nelson is falling apart even faster than his relationship with Deborah Harris is.

Conan the Barbarian #164

It's a lesson for us all, as Conan takes under his wing, a clueless youth who tried to kill him in a failed revenge bid.

Together, the mismatched pair set off in search of a magic sword but - shock horror - the youth betrays him, the first chance he gets.

Needless to say, Conan doesn't waste any time in punishing him for that betrayal.

The Amazing Spider-Man #258

Thanks to a visit to the Baxter Building, Spidey finally discovers his costume from outer space is a living creature and not an item of apparel.

With Reed Richards' help he manages to get it off him. But that's not the end of his problems, as he still has to come to terms with Mary Jane knowing his secret identity and with having to allay the jealousy of the Black Cat.

And then there's the fact the Hobgoblin's decided to join forces with the Rose.

Iron Man #188, Brothers Grimm

The Brothers Grimm make an unlikely return when Barton and Percival Grimes discover the villains' abandoned costumes and decide to use them to get rich and avenge themselves upon a local restaurant owner who once did something to annoy them.

Needless to say, Iron Man's on hand to tackle them.

Needless to say, because he's Rhodey and still hasn't got round to actually learning how to use the armour, he makes more of a meal of it than he should, and Tony Stark has to sort it out by the imaginative method of calling the police to deal with the wrongdoers.

20 comments:

  1. Steve! Your write-ups are superb today! Had me laughing, that’s fer sure!

    CH.

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  2. Eek. A slim old month. My money was going in DC’s pocket at this stage I guess. Or just buying records and going out more.

    I only had DD (out of habit) and Thor (because WS). I must have finally broken that FF habit as this cover is new to be.

    Does anyone know who did that Conan cover?

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  3. Didn’t buy any of these here Marvels. Instead, I spent my money on:

    AVENGERS ANNUAL 13 (Ditko inked by Byrne — better than you might expect)

    BATMAN AND THE OUTSIDERS (Trevor Von Eeden)

    LOVE AND ROCKETS 9

    SAGA OF THE SWAMP THING 30

    STRANGE DAYS 1 (Milligan and McCarthy)

    TWISTED TALES 9

    And one of my favorite single issues of the 1980s, THE ROCKETEER SPECIAL EDITION #1

    b.t.

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  4. Matthew- rather slim indeed, for me too anyway. The only book shown I had was Amazing Spider-Man, and it wouldn't be long before that fell by the wayside too. Like you, I must have been indulging in a few DC books. And like b.t., grabbing a few indies (hey b.t., that Rocketeer special was incredible!). One of the most notable indies was "AV in 3-D", a remarkable compilation of Aardvark-Vanaheim features presented in 3-D; complete with glasses. Gimmicky, yes; but loads of fun. The Flaming Carrot story is a hoot...

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  5. Just X-men from these issues, for me, and I suspect that remained unread. I also got:

    Axel Pressbutton #1 (baxter paper reprint from Pacific, with a lovely Bolland cover)
    Kitty Pride and Wolverine #1 (what was I thinking?)
    New Mutants #21 (double-sized slumber party. I think my final issue)
    Tales of the Teen Titans #48 and New Teen Titans #3 (the only X-titles I was then enjoying)
    Swamp Thing #30 (the brilliant ‘Halo of Flies’ - yuck)
    Warrior #24 (which was solely for Laser Eraser & Pressbutton by Alan Davis and V for Vendatta)

    I eventually picked up Love & Rockets #9, but not directly off the spinner. Probably the best single issue published this month.

    DW

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    1. DW -

      Yeah, I picked up a few of those too...

      I never got any of the reprints of Warrior material other than Miracleman. I really really wish someone would reprint Laser Eraser and Pressbutton again. I keep mentioning it to a friend who's a big Steve Dillon fan but hasn't read that. It seems lost in the mists of time and tangled creator-ownership. Having said that, I fully expect Dez Skinn to reprint it in a hardcover out of sheer brass balls, like he's done with all the Hammer material from the 70s.

      New Mutants 21 was your last issue?! - What happened?

      I must still have been buying Teen Titan at this point [and LoSH, if Giffen was still drawing it] as that cover looks familiar.

      The Swamp Thing, naturally. I think this issue might have marked Alfredo Alcala's first work on a Moore script...?

      And Warrior 24 which was really on its last legs. The Davis LE&P art was nice but it felt strange seeing him working on such a lightweight story when for the last couple of years he'd been almost exclusively on Alan Moore material, which had a bit more heft.

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  6. Matthew

    I believe David agreed to do the Pressbutton stories as long as he could introduce his own Boots and Glove characters. They’d previously been published in Gary Millidge’s (Strangehaven) Amon Speck fanzine. I assume he thought hey may spin into their own title.

    I think I dropped New Mutants because my 16 year old self formed a view that Billy the Sink was a little bit ‘emperor’s new clothes’. I changed my mind when he did Elektra Assassin. Having reread a few of these recently, he wasn’t a good fit for Claremont. I think I’ve previously mentioned that I wanted Billy on Daredevil and Mazzucchelli on New Mutants. What did I know?

    DW

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  7. I'm inclined to meet DW half way on Sienkiewicz - I thought his work was great, but it did seem like Marvel didn't really know what to do with him, tíl Elektra: Assassin. The Dazzler covers and film adaptations or whatever were well done, but... maybe not the best use of his talents?
    Same goes for New Mutants really, but I did like it. There was something refreshing about such an obvious X-Men spin-off - which you'd expect to be boringly corporate and predictable (as indeed the earlier issues were) - being so idiosyncratic.

    The Rocketeer Special #1 was ok. Perhaps I wasn't enough into the aesthetic of the series to really get it though? I didn't even know who Betty Page was at that point.
    But Strange Days #1 - now you're talking, b.t. I was mad for that series...well, maybe not so much the Johnny Nemo stories. But Freakwave, Paradax and those odd little one-pagers like 'Krazy Foam' were great. Brendan McCarthy was brilliant back then.
    A shame he didn't do more comic work. But I guess like Jim Steranko he knew how to leave us wanting more (and that he could earn a better living in the film biz).

    Gotta say I wasn't much into Laser Eraser & Pressbutton. It made an impression in Warrior #1, looking good and being cover featured... but Steve Dillon seemed to get bored with it fairly quickly, and - sorry Matthew and DW - it soon got a bit 200AD filler.
    I think that reprint comic includes the Zirk story from Warrior #3 though, drawn by Brian Bolland?

    -sean

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    1. Besides Strange Days #1 the other comic I was really into that month - actually, it was more of a book format, and I can't find a date for it online (but I do remember getting it at the same time) - was Raw One-Shot #4, 'Invasion of the Elvis Zombies', by Gary Panter.
      Which included a flexi-disc featuring a track called 'Pre-Cambrian Bath'. It was hard to see much connection with the story, but it was exciting anyway because he'd done a single earlier with the Residents! How cool was that, in 1984?
      Turns out though, that they were not involved with this particular venture. Apparently.

      Given that Love & Rockets has come up, it might be worth mentioning that I think Mister X #2 came out this month? Its another hard one to pin down - the GCD gives an August '84 on-sale date. Which I guess is roughly equivalent to a November cover date? It almost certainly wouldn't have been available in the UK tíl late in the year.

      -sean

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    2. Sean -

      I haven’t read LE&P for literally decades. I should get my copies of Warrior out of the loft. But I do remember it as being Good Early Dillon (alongside the first Abslom Daak strip). Because not long after when he started doing Dredd regularly, his work got simpler and simpler and he put less and less effort into details and backgrounds.

      However - the friend I mentioned earlier bought the recent 2000AD Apex Edition of his stuff and I found that, compared to his terrible work over the last two decades, that mid-80s Dredd stuff held up pretty well.

      I know he was by all accounts a really great guy who passed WAY too early, but I really don’t understand his art on Punisher / Preacher etc. It looks like basic layouts bashed out in an hour and handed in unfinished. And when someone else inks him - which you think would help - it looks even worse.

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    3. Matthew, Steve Dillon was always like that. I liked his artwork a lot when he was on, and obviously into what he was doing. But it has to be said that often it seemed like he wasn't. Preacher is a good example of that. I actually thought the first few issues were some of the best work he'd done in ages, but it wasn't long before his pages looked, as you put it, bashed out in an hour.

      Plus, the other thing about Pressbutton was that Steve Moore wasn't the most inspired of writers. I hate to say it because he seemed like a pretty nice guy - I remember him taking the time to talk to me and my mate for ages at one of those Westminster comic marts even though at that age we were probably a pain in the arse - but.I don't ever recall being drawn in by anything he wrote.

      Now, a reprint of the earlier Pressbutton stories from Sounds, by the artist formerly known as Curt Vile... That I would be interested in.

      -sean

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  8. sean:
    A big part of the appeal of The Rocketeer for me was the period setting and the overt nods to the hero pulps and Republic serials. But also, Dave Stevens’ art was super-charming and simply beautiful to look at. Seems like I stared at each page for hours. And I think the Special was the apex of his work on the series.

    Also, I would suggest that one didn’t need to know who Bettie Page was to admire Stevens’ Va-Va-Va-VOOM renderings of her ;)

    b.t.

    b.t.

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  9. Pardon the double sig — wife distracted me at a critical moment

    b.t.
    (singular)

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  10. R.E. the Thor comic up there...
    At last we get to see Vili and Ve!
    There is little mention of them in the Norse myths, which to me makes them more compelling. A mystery of sorts.
    It seems that ancient gods represented either natural processes (like the weather or seasons) or human impulses (war, love, etc.)
    Odin and his brothers would fall into the latter category, I guess.
    There's different theories about what each brother represented in the ancient Germanic religion, like spirit, consciousness and the senses. But the Norse were always in a big damn hurry (what with the looting and pillaging and so forth) and not prone to philosophizing and so they settled on one guy.
    According to the Heimskringla, Vili and Ve had sex with Frigg, Odin's wife, while he was away on business. Brothers, right?
    Walt Simonson left that part out!

    M.P.

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    1. Unlike Simonson, the old Norse skálds didn't have to consider the Comics Code, M.P.

      -sean

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  11. Sean- ah, Mr. X. Great book; loved the graphic aspect of the art. Those first few issues by Hernandez were excellent; but I really enjoyed Dean Motter's work too.

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  12. Steve, I felt a bit bad that you went to all this trouble to do a post, and apart from M.P. we all talked about other comics. So I thought I ought to respond to the post, and - as M.P. already discussed Thor - decided to read another of the comics online and offer an opinion. Despite the unappealing cover, I opted for Conan #164, because I was curious about your write up.

    Is it just me, or is a quest for a magic sword fairly un-Conan? It seems like one of those fantasy clichés that don't really fit the series. Like, say, elves and whatnot, magic swords don't seem very Hyborian... at the very least going on a quest for one strikes me as something for a different kind of fantasy hero to be doing.

    And sure enough, the story is not very Howardian. Or maybe I mean its not very Roy-Thomas-doing-Howardian seeing as I haven't read much Howard. And artist Gary Kwapisze - no, me neither - was clearly a big fan of Mike Kaluta, so it does feel a lot like reading some DC imitation Conan comic.

    Still, none of that bothers me, and while of course as a metropolitan elitist I found it to be limited by patriarchal hetero-normative genre convention, it was actually not bad. Better than I expected.

    -sean

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  13. sean, a quest for a magic sword does indeed seem like a Not Very Howardian thing for Conan to do, until you recall that REH himself used Conan’s search for a magical MacGuffin (the Heart Of Ahriman) to motivate his continent-spanning adventures in THE HOUR OF THE DRAGON. But your point is taken — somehow a Magic Sword does seem a bit cheesy in Howard’s hardboiled Hyborian Age.

    b.t.

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