Thursday 1 April 2021

April 1st, 1981 - Marvel UK, 40 years ago this week.

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Here in Blighty, we've just, this week, turned our clocks forward for the summer but, on this day in 1981, the Russians were doing it for the very first time.

Yes. Incredible as it may seem, it wasn't until then that daylight-saving time was first introduced in the Soviet Union.

I have no word on whether the Russians have spent every change of the clocks, since then, complaining that the whole thing should be scrapped, as happens every single year in Britain.

I like to imagine they have, as it'd be nice to think that, even in the depths of the Cold War, there were some things that united us all.

Mere days before that, in the UK, the first London Marathon began, with a whopping total of 7,500 runners.

In the world of politics, the week also saw the attempted assassination of Ronald Reagan who was shot in the chest by John Hinckley Jr in a perfectly logical attempt to impress Jodie Foster.

Rather less dramatically, the world of UK politics also experienced a historic event, as that week saw the launch of the Social Democratic Party, thanks to Labour Party defectors Shirley Williams, Bill Rodgers, Roy Jenkins, and David Owen. Jodie Foster's view of that is not known.

Marvel Action #1, April 1981

A brand new comic smashes its way into your local newsagents, featuring the characters whose presence totally failed to save the weeklies they were previously in. Having failed before, can they triumph this time?

I cannot say but I do know this issue features a whole 17 pages of Thor, suggesting the other strips may find themselves a little squeezed.

I also know that cover's by Alan Davis and may, possibly, be his first work for Marvel UK.

Thor, by the way, is up against the return of the Stone Men from Saturn, and their deadly weapon the Gravitron.

The Fantastic Four, meanwhile, are battling those space parasites that revert their hosts to the form of their prehistoric ancestors.

Sadly, I can shed no light upon what Dr Strange is up to.

Spider-Man and Hulk Weekly #421, The White Tiger

It's bad news for the White Tiger when Gideon Mace and his men pump him so full of holes you could use him as a tea strainer.

My information on the rest of this issue's sparse but, if the cover's to be believed, the other strips feature the Hulk, Wonder Man and Hercules.

I would assume the Hulk tale's still the one where he's in Siberia, having to combat the renewed peril of the Presence and Red Guardian while the Soviet Super-Soldiers get in everyone's way.

Captain America #6

It's a thrilling day for us all, as Captain America manages to make the cover of his own comic.

This time, he's up against the return of Joe from the final days of Steve Ditko's Spider-Man. A man so destabilised by the death of his son that he goes on a super-powered rampage.

The Dazzler's having serious problems with the Enchantress. But not to worry, because Spider-Man, the Avengers, Fantastic Four and X-Men are all on hand to help her!

I can't help feeling that's a slightly overcrowded story. Is there actually any room in it for the main character?

I would assume the Defenders are still in Asgard, trying to thwart the deadly schemes of Hela.

And I would also suspect Tony Stark's out to solve the mystery of why his armour's turned homicidal.

Future Tense and Valour #22, ROM

The contents of this one are none too clear to me.

I do know we get the origin of Baron Karza, which I know is something we've all been screaming out for.

From the looks of it, ROM's dealing with some sort of robot or other.

But what's occurring in the Star Trek strip, I couldn't say.

Hulk Pocket Book #6, Rick Jones shoots his mouth off

It's the issue where Rick Jones reveals to the world that Bruce Banner's the Hulk.

I've a feeling he does it because he thinks Bruce is dead.

Bruce, however, is not dead.

Rick probably will be, though, once Bruce gets his hands on him.

Conan pocket book #6, Elric

It's the big one! Conan meets Elric!

Is this the tale that sees the return of Zukala and his famous daughter, or am I thinking of a totally different adventure?

Fantastic Four #13, the Mad Thinker's latest android

The Mad Thinker's latest android's on the loose.

And nothing can stop it!

Not even Sue waving her arms around!

Fortunately, the Fantastic Four don't have to stop it. They just need to dump it in the Negative Zone and let the people there worry about it.

So, that's exactly what they do.

Doesn't it reappear, several years later, armed with a beard, the Cosmic Control Rod and a dramatic increase in size?

Spider-Man pocket book #13, the Sandman

The Sandman makes his grip-defying debut.

And is promptly defeated by a vacuum cleaner.

Fair play to Sandy. Most people would give up on trying to be a super-villain after a setback like that but not him. He still goes on to have a lengthy career in crime.

We also get the tale that features the second-ever appearance of the Green Goblin. The one where he and the Human Torch gatecrash Flash Thompson's inaugural meeting of the Spider-Man Fan Club, endangering everyone present.

I do believe both tales feature Spider-Man refusing to fight that issue's foe, due to concern for the welfare of Aunt May, leading to everyone assuming he's a coward.

Chiller pocket book #13, Dracula

This month's issue boasts a cover that's an odd amalgamation of work by Neal Adams and John Romita; two artists whose styles are not exactly natural bedfellows.

Other than Dracula being in it, I would struggle to say what happens inside this book.


It's time for yet more sobbing, self-recrimination and lesson-learning, as love destroys yet more innocent lives.

Titans pocket book #6, Thor vs Loki

I do believe Captain America's been captured by some Germans who put him on a rocket. No doubt, with the intention of firing him at somewhere he'll do maximum damage, such as France or London.

I also believe Iron Man's about to have his first-ever encounter with the Mandarin.

When it comes to the cover story, I have childhood memories of Thor escaping his concrete prison by summoning Asgardian pixies to give him a belt of strength, which seems a bit of a cheat. I mean, even I could be a super-hero if Asgardian pixies gave me a belt of strength.

X-Men pocket book #13, the X-Men

With one mighty bound, Star Heroes pocket book becomes The X-Men pocket book.

And it looks like the titanic teens have their hands full with the return of the Brotherhood of Evil Mutants.

Not only that but they have to face it, even though Professor X has lost the use of his powers!

Doctor Who magazine #51, Tom Baker

Doctor Who Monthly says goodbye to Tom Baker, now that a fall from a radio telescope's left him a changed man.

We also get a look back at his companions, an article about his final story Logopolis and an interview with the show's producer John Nathan-Turner.

We also get a picture of a Zygon on the front cover, which is easily my favourite monster design in Doctor Who history.

You really don't know how much I wish I were covered in suckers.

Savage Action #6, Blade

This month, we're treated to a re-telling of the origin of the Punisher.

You know, the one that bears a remarkable resemblance to the plot of Death Wish?

Some might start to wonder whether the massacre of Frank Castle's family ever happened or whether he saw the film and, in his mentally unbalanced state, somehow convinced himself it had happened to him.

Elsewhere, Blade seems to be laying siege to a house in Mayfair. One that's filled with vampires.

And I'm sure Night Raven's also being thrilling.

Savage Sword of Conan #42, UK

At last, after what seems an eternity, The Hour of the Dragon finally reaches its senses-shattering conclusion.

Even though I've read the Robert E Howard original, I've no recollection of how it actually ends. I shall, therefore, guess that it involves the slaying of a sorcerer and the rescuing of a beautiful woman. The stabbing of a monster may also be involved.

Don't ask me how I know these things. I must just have the gift of clairvoyance.

Marvel Superheroes #372, the Champions

This week's Avengers tale sees the Beast in solo action against someone called the Manipulator - and Hank McCoy seems to be in a very bad mood.

He also gets into a fight with a knife-wielding villain called Perry who I suspect is not the Manipulator.

The Champions are after the Runestaff of Kamo Tharn in their bid to prevent the Stranger's out-of-control expandy-shrinky bomb from destroying the solar system.

And the original X-Men are up against the Creator. A villain I can't claim to have any knowledge of.

Rampage #34, the New X-Men

The cover boasts this is the, "New Look," Rampage Magazine, although I struggle to see in what way it looks any different from how it always has.

Regardless, Garokk and Zaladane are in danger of blowing-up not only the Savage Land but, also, the whole planet.

And only the X-Men (and, possibly, Sauron, Ka-Zar and Zabu) can stop them!

Elsewhere, the Thing and Nick Fury team-up to tackle Mentallo and the Fixer.

Even more elsewhere, Senor Muerte thinks he's put paid to Luke Cage.

I suspect Senor Muerte urgently needs to reappraise the situation.

My mastery of all Earth's languages tells me, "Senor Muerte," translates as, "Mr Death." The villain I remember mentioning in last month's summary.


Hooray! We can win 85 prizes in Starburst's Monster Club competition!

Not only that but we get an interview with Servalan herself, Jacqueline Pearce.

And a review of Superman II.

What more could we ask for?

We could ask for a feature on the 1931 Frankenstein movie.

And we get one.

47 comments:

Anonymous said...

Yesterday, twisting my ankle, I fell in the road. The moral: 'You're not young, anymore!' - except in 'Steve Does Comics' - the time machine that takes you back 40 years!

'Captain America Weekly' # 6, 'Future Tense' # 22, 'Spider-man & Hulk Weekly' # 421, 'Marvel Action' # 1.

On the cover of 'Captain America', Cap battles "Joe", whilst Future Tense's cover has ROM fighting a giant robot (in Marvel, an occupational hazard.)

Captain America's cover highlights a specific criticism frequently levelled at Marvel UK (since the 1979 Marvel Revolution). Namely, lack of chronology.

The Cap stories are being reprinted out of order, in Marvel UK, as Steve pointed out, last week. The correct story order would have Cap mulling over running for president.

Nevertheless, in my opinion, in this instance, Marvel UK's editorial decision, to change the chronology, was the right one.

For a new weekly, just beginning to attract younger readers, Cap's grinning face on an election badge/button, and a story about an election(boring adult stuff) may be the last thing such readers want. "Keep up the excitement!" rightly seems the editorial policy, for a brand new weekly.

Other criticisms of Marvel UK (since 1979) are: no glossy covers, stories being edited, and no credits. Well, there's something else on Marvel UK's rap sheet, now - taking American covers, and changing the colour scheme! On the cover of Future Tense # 22, ROM is battling a purple robot. Purple's an imperial colour, so maybe it's an imperial robot.But it isn't, because on the original cover (ROM # 16?), the robot is green, not purple. What's more, the robot looks much better coloured green! Cover colour changing has happened before, a couple of weeks ago, on Captain America Weekly, when Dragon Man was changed from grey, to a mixture of orange and yellow.

The cover of 'Spider-man & Hulk Weekly' # 421 depicts the White Tiger being gunned down, by a variety of different firearms. This isn't strictly accurate, as it was Gideon Mace's machine gun that took down the White Tiger - no one else shot him. Also, this cover shows what happened last week, not this week.

Finally, let's look at 'Marvel Action', Marvel's new weekly(soon to be followed by 'Marvel Super Adventure'), and its cover. Only recently, the craze for stickers, across the pond, was discussed by Killdumpster & Charlie. Well, Marvel UK's jumped on the bandwagon, too! "Free inside!! A great superhero sticker!!" As for the rest of the cover, I'll quote the editor's explanation: "On the cover of this issue we are proud to introduce ACTION PACKED ALAN DAVIS, who is the latest addition to Marvel UK's growing band of astonishing artists! Alan hails from Corby in Northamptonshire and we've a feeling that we're going to see a lot more of his works in the weeks to come - watch this space!" Sean's favourite, Alan Moore, also hails from that county - is it something in the water?


Anonymous said...

'Marvel Action' # 1

Marvel Action's a bit like Valour Weekly's decoupled parts (plus the FF), which it lost, on merging with Future Tense. The bulk of the comic is 17 pages of Thor - nothing wrong with that.

'Thor'

A couple of weeks ago, M.P. was discussing Mimir's fiery head. Well, guess what...?

Mimir sent Thor on a quest to bring him the Ruby of Truth - in return, Mimir would tell Thor where Odin is. Unfortunately, Thor returns crestfallen & emptyhanded, as the Ruby of Truth has been destroyed, to save the troll empire from the monstrous Trogg. Mimir's fiery head tells Thor he'll find Odin at the Doomsday Star - but Mimir disappears to guard the Well of Wisdom/Knowledge, without telling Thor where the Doomsday Star is. The Warriors Three & Sif join Thor on his quest, leaving Balder & Karnilla behind. The company sets off in the Starjammer, but a meteor storm forces it to put in at a small asteroid.

By chance, the Stone Men of Saturn (see Thor's origin) are on the asteroid, in suspended animation, waiting for a ride home - and, by a cosmic jest, it's their old enemy, Thor, who'll provide that ticket home (they think). There's a big fight, which the Stone Men of Saturn eventually lose, whereupon, one of the Stone Men employs a gravity weapon - but Thor still wins, and the Stone Men's ship self-destructs, destroying the asteroid. Thor & his pals make good their escape, in the Starjammer.

This story looks like John Buscema & Tony Dezuniga. In one panel, Sif is drawn with an Asian face, rather than her usual look, in the rest of the story.


'Dr.Strange'

One of the ancient Roman sibyls uses her mental powers to bring Clea to Italy, to become the third sibyl. Clea gets a laugh when Dr.Strange has to transform the Eye of Agamotto into a St.Christopher medal, when it bleeps going through the airport metal detector.

'Fantastic Four'

A mysterious meteorite crashes into a lake in Pennsylvania, transforming a curious hawk into a pteranodon, which looks remarkably similar to the ones Valkyrie fought, last week in Captain America Weekly (only this one can't speak!) The Fantastic Four are called by Reed's mate, Dr.Carruthers. After a battle with the beast, it self-destructs, transforming into a trilobite-like creature, but with a tiny alien face. Make of this what you will. For some strange reason, this story's credits are printed not at the beginning, but two pages before the end. I suspect some jiggery pokery.

Anonymous said...


'Captain America Weekly' # 6 - it really is Cap's weekly, this week, as he appears in 3/4 of the stories!

Captain America

Captain America is battling "Joe" - who tries to crush Cap's ribs - like Dragon Man, Mr.Hyde, & all Cap's opponents do. Inexplicably, "Joe" suddenly loses interest, and jumps out of a sixth floor window, landing unharmed, and running off. Later, Cap discusses Joe's history with his neighbour, Josh Cooper, who taught his son - cue a recap/origin story. The upshot is, Joe's killing the people who cut his son's help, in one way or another. The page count ends with Steve Rogers on a train, transporting one of Joe's targets, and Joe jumping aboard said train.


The Defenders

Ollerus's army, along with the 'dead' Defenders, is facing off against Hela's army, led by Val & Harokin. Meanwhile, Hela asks Odin whose side he's on. Odin refuses to commit, but says, regardless of the outcome, he'll kick Hela out of Valhalla. Hela's army is losing, so Val tells Harokin she'll attack Shark mountain, the source of the problem. On the way, she's challenged by the fake Valkyre - Babs Norris's spirit inside the real Val's immortal body.


Dazzler

The Enchantress ages Dazzler into a withered old woman, but Alison uses a glitterball to 'dazzle' the goddess. For the audience's superheroes (remember Dazzler is performing at Numero Uno, the coolest club in town) the club's toilet cubicles are changing rooms, to get into costume, in a supposedly comical scene. The heroes attack the Enchantress, who summons some generic trolls/ogres for them to fight.


Iron Man

This story should be titled, 'Tony Stark', as Iron Man isn't in it! Tony Stark appears at Avengers' Mansion, asking Captain America for a crash course in self-defense. Shang Chi learned martial arts from age 5. Iron Fist, although not so young, also started as a boy. Tony Stark, however, becomes proficient (enough to handle street punks) in an afternoon. Captain America sure is a great instructor!

Next Tony Stark gets Scott (Ant Man) Lang to visit Whiplash in Ryker's Island, and terrorize him, with his size changing powers (?), into revealing that Justin Hammer's in Monaco.

Tony boards his private Lear jet, to discover Rhodey is his surprise pilot. Whiplash didn't know Hammer's exact location so - as a joke - Rhodey suggests Tony ring princess Grace. To Rhodey's surprise, Grace Kelly is in Tony's 'little black book', and he gives her a ring!

Tony & Rhodey go scooting around in a jeep, fighting the baddies, but eventually get cornered by Hammer's littoral assault team.


Anonymous said...

'Spider-man & Hulk Weekly' # 421


Spider-man or Showcase?

A car stops & dumps the White Tiger's body, outside the Daily Bugle. Peter Parker throws a spider tracer at the car, hitting the rear fender. J Jonah Jameson sees the terrible state Hector Ayala is in, and Peter Parker in tears, and comes as close as he can to showing compassion - but doesn't quite make it. At the hospital, Blackbyrd tells the doctors not to remove the White Tiger's jade amulets, them being the only things keeping Hector alive. Later, Spidey gets a buzz from a spider tracer but, unfortunately, it's one on a pigeon.


Showcase: Wonderman

Simon Williams' old industrial complex, "Williams Innovations", has been taken over by a mysterious female boss, who's up to no good. Simon takes matters into his own hands.


Hulk

Last week Hulk got attached to a stricken MiG fighter jet, whose pilot ejected. Well, it happens the MiG's autopilot is flying it back to a Russian region named "The Forbidden Zone." Meanwhile, Glenn Talbot's hot on Hulk's trail, in the 'War Wagon'.

In Russia, Nick Fury's opposite number, Colonel Brevlov, introduces a new addition to the Soviet Super Soldiers. Crimson Dynamo, being a bully, performs the old bully's trick of trying to crush the new guy's hand, with his transistorized armoured gauntlet. The new guy, however, gives Crimson Dynamo a taste of his own medicine, transforming into a giant man-bear, and crushing the Dynamo's hand, in return!

Colonel Brevlov tells the Soviet Super Soldiers the irradiated 'Forbidden Zone' caused by Sergei, the Presence, and the Red Guardian, is expanding. They must deal with it.

One version of the Crimson Dynamo was Natasha's chauffeur Ivan's son. This Dynamo is bald, and looks too old. Unless Ivan is in his 80s.


Spidey & Hercules


Spidey regains consciousness next to Hercules, who allowed himself to be captured on purpose (extremely out of character, methinks), whilst the robots continue at their work. The robots are cutting Manhattan Island free of its foundations (not much geological accuracy here); then they'll tow it away with a nuclear sub, and demand 2 billion dollars ransom. Herc & Spidey beat the robots, and find a little man inside one of them. He's terrified of a mysterious "them", to whom he's enslaved. Hercules drags Manhattan Island back into place, and the two heroes get scolded by the mayor. Not Marvel's greatest story.

I haven't the energy for Future Tense, tonight.

Phillip

Anonymous said...

I'm not surprised you're struggling to see how Rampage is any different to usual Steve - even that "New Look" blurb has been on the cover in the same place for months now, since at least the first issue without the Hulk.

Its just meaningless hype really, like "Britain's No.1 Sword & Sorcery Magazine"... which I notice isn't on that SSOC cover. Does that mean there were other sword & sorcery mags out in Britain this month, that sold better?
I don't recall any.

-sean

Anonymous said...

Dr Who Monthly #51 is mainly notable for the excellent "4-D War" comic strip by Alan Moore and David Lloyd, which included the first appearance of Wardog from the Special Executive (who later turned up in the Moore/Davis Captain Brexit run).
Set on Gallifrey I think its the first mention of a "time war" in Dr Who, but someone more up on the tv series than me may know better. But it does seem like the better comic strips were an influence on the Russell T Davis revival.

Btw, the lead strip - the one-off "War of Words" - is by the regular team of Steve "no relation" Moore and Dave Gibbons.

-sean

Anonymous said...

Many happy returns Steve.
(Unless I've remembered wrong)

-sean

Steve W. said...

Thanks for the magnificent summary, Phillip. I hope your ankle's made a swift recovery.

When it comes to Ivan's age, I have vague memories of a Daredevil story telling us he rescued a very young Natasha from somewhere like Stalingrad in World War II, so he was clearly no spring chicken by the early 1980s.

Thanks, Sean. You have remembered correctly. :)

Anonymous said...

Happy Birthday, Steve! My foot's swollen to about 1.5 times it's normal size. But I don't think it's broken. These events are to remind oneself, that one is now a middle-aged guy, not a young whipper snapper, anymore! I think your age, in your head, lags behind your chronological age, considerably.

Phillip

Anonymous said...

Natasha obviously wasn't exactly bursting with youth in the early 80s either if she was a kid in WW2 Stalingrad, Steve. Not that theres anything wrong with mature ladies of course.

That Blade story is from an early Marvel Preview, and reveals that our vampire-slayer hero is also a jazz trumpeter. Hmm, nice... smokin'.
And it featured the first appearance of Met cop Dai Thomas. Was he the first character of the Welsh persuasion to appear in a Marvel comic? Possibly.

-sean

Steve W. said...

Thanks, Phillip.

Sean, the weird thing is that all Gene Colan drawn characters looked like they might play jazz trumpet.

I must confess I'm struggling to think of any pre-Dai Thomas Welsh characters in Marvel comics, unless we count characters from Arthurian legend.

Anonymous said...

Steve - Vortigern featured in the Black Knight/Captain Britain in Hulk Comic. According to some sources (wikipedia), Vortigern was a king of Powys & was buried in Dyfed. Of course, Rutger Hauer's portrayal of Vortigern, in 'Merlin' (1998), was an excellent one!

Phillip

Anonymous said...

I could definitely picture Gene Colan's Black Widow playing the trumpet Steve.
Possibly not Howard the Duck though.

-sean

Anonymous said...

Phillip, according to Geoffrey of Monmouth, Vortigern was a "king of the Britons" who married into the leader of the Saxons Hengist's family. It was their defeat - probably at Sheffield (Ballifield) - that led to Merlin stealing Stonehenge from Ireland.

C'mon, you must have known I was going to bring that up, right?
But anyway, Dai Thomas appeared in Captain Brexit well before the Hulk Comic run.

-sean

Simon B said...

Happy belated birthday, Steve! Hope you had a great day :-)

Colin Jones said...

Happy Easter to one and all!
Happy belated birthday, Steve!
Commiserations, Phillip!

I'd always assumed that Dai Thomas was created specially for the Captain Brex...Britain weekly to fill the grumpy, anti-superhero J. Jonah Jameson role. As I recall, Dai hated superheroes because his wife had been killed during a visit to New York when a building had collapsed on her in the course of a fight between the Hulk and Thor..or something.

The Hour Of The Dragon does indeed end with the defeat of an evil sorcerer and the rescue of a beautiful, scantily-clad wench but this particular beautiful, scantily-clad wench is none other than Zenobia, Conan's future wife! However, no monsters get stabbed and most importantly, Conan regains the throne of Aquilonia, hurrah!

Anonymous said...

Happy birthday from me as well, Steve, and regards to all!
Sean and Phil, the dark ages of the British isles hold an endless fascination, for me anyway.
It's...murky. Lotta battles, invasions, and semi-legendary kings. I get the impression that when Roman rule declined it was an age of chaos.
I dig that stuff!

M.P.

Anonymous said...

M.P., I expect chaos digs you too!
For most people things were generally better during the (so called) dark ages than under Roman rule. After all, empires aren't built for the benefit of conquered peoples, and the Romans were the original fascists.

Btw, "British isles" is a politically incorrect term. The islands aren't all British.

-sean

Anonymous said...

Fair enough, Sean. What would be the correct nomenclature?
What I read was, the Dark Ages, uh, there, went from the the slow collapse of Roman rule in the 400's until 1066.
Now, many things are known about this period but then again, many things are not known. Coins and hordes have been found. But the only guys who were writing things down were monks, right? Was there a historical basis for Arthur?
Even kings like Alfred the Great are obscured by the dim mists of time.

M.P.

Steve W. said...

Thanks, Cerebus, MP and Colin, and a Happy Easter to all who visit this vessel.

Colin, thanks for the Conan confirmation.

MP, as far as I'm aware, from the end of Roman rule to the 9th Century, pretty much all that's known are the names of a handful of battles, the names of various kingdoms and a handful of kings and soldiers.

It's unlikely King Arthur existed, as no chroniclers make reference to him until the 9th Century. However, it's impossible to say for certain because of the huge gaps in our knowledge.

However, I'm not an expert and could, therefore, be totally wrong about everything I've just said.

Killdumpster said...

M.P., I'd like to think that there is a semblance of truth to the legend & lore of King Arthur.

The Sandman is still one of my my favorite Spidey villians, if not overall cuz he's fought Hulk, FF, etc.

Believe I've mentioned Joe's costume design before. Loved Ditko's lay-out, hated the colors.

I really need to pick up an original X-Men collected edition. Just seeing the Brotherhood has me hankering to re-read those battles.

Anytime someone mentions pixies I instantly think of my favorite 90's alternative band, the Pixies. Did they make any kind of impact in the UK? I will admit they weren't for everyone's tastes.

Anonymous said...

Surely every myth or legend must have a germ of truth in it. Nothing comes outta nothing. It can't be completely sui generis.

M.P.

Steve W. said...

KD, the Pixies made far more impact in the UK than in America. Their albums struggled to scrape into the Top 100 in the US but all of them (except the first) made the Top 10 in Britain.

MP, there's definitely a germ of truth in the King Arthur myth. There were definitely British kings at the time who fought the Anglo-Saxons and there were leaders and soldiers with names that were similar to Arthur. Whether any of them was the king mentioned in the legends is open to endless debate and speculation.

Anonymous said...

Sean - Yes, I had anticipated your comments. I have usually thought of a better pedantic comment, before you've finished typing. I thought you'd have said: "Vortigern was the king who first invited the Saxons over, to help - then they conquered the place." You're off your game, a bit! To be equally pedantic, although Hulk Comic came after Captain Britain, Vortigern was historically 'before' Dai Thomas!

Oh - I was going to make some Jazz Club cracks, but restrained myself! To be honest, last night, I was all typed out & couldn't think of any. That Savage Action with Blade was a good one. I might fish it out of the garage this weekend.

Sean, I'm surprised you haven't explained the Roman/latin etymology of "fasces" in relation to the word 'fascist.'

Colin - Thanks! Zenobia is also the name of a character in 'The Blithedale Romance' by Hawthorne. If REH knew his American literature - which I'm sure he did - there might be a few inside references. Zenobia died by drowning in Hawthorne's book. I totally agree about Dai Thomas & Jameson. You've also got Jacko Tanner as Flash Thompson; Courtney Ross as...Gwen? Mary Jane?

M.P. - I'm a King Arthur believer! As a kid, I read a ladybird Arthurian story called 'The Knight of the Golden Falcon', but couldn't find it in any of the Arthur collected editions. Turns out it was the story of Sir Geraint, from the Mabinogion. This seems germane, as Sean
started us on a Welsh path. The ladybird editions, from the late 70s/early 80s, drew Arthur's knights, not in plate armour (obviously anachronistic), but more realistically armoured, like Saxons/early Britons.

Phillip

Colin Jones said...

Phil, there was a real Queen Zenobia in Roman times and the evil queen in 'Sinbad & The Eye Of The Tiger' was called Zenobia.

On the subject of Dark Ages Britain - I was watching a documentary about Anglo-Saxon art on BBC 4 just a few days ago.

Sean, you haven't told us what the "British Isles" should be called instead. The British & Irish Isles perhaps - but what if Scotland becomes independent?

Anonymous said...

Colin - Yes, thanks for reminding me. At the cinema, wasn't 'Sinbad & the Eye of the Tiger' the companion film to the 1970s Spidey movie? I only watched them separately, slightly later, but remember the tv ads.

I watched that Anglo-Saxon art documentary, too - she tends to play to the camera, a bit.

Sean may be 'playing a set' (a jazz term) down at Slow Boy's jazz club - the coolest jazz club in town. Man, that Blade is one cool cat!

Phillip

Charlie Horse 47 said...

MP - If you want to read a very nice piece of historical fiction regarding Rome, England, and the 'barbarian" invasion into France / the western Roman empire, in 12/31 406 AD, I recommend "Eagle in the Snow." It has a solid 4.3 stars on 400+ reviews.


The story takes place around AD 406 and follows the exploits of General Maximus, commander of one of the few remaining traditional Roman legions. Having just retreated from the British Isle, he is tasked with protecting the Rhine River border from the various tribes who wish to leave their own lands and move into territory held by the Empire.

Charlie Horse 47 said...

Steve - Happy Birthday and Happy Easter.

Everyone else - Happy Easter. Also Happy Birthday if relevant.

Steve W. said...

Thanks, Charlie and a Happy Easter to you too, as well.

Phillip, Spider-Man and Sinbad did indeed feature in a double-bill. I remember seeing it at the time. I must confess to having been a lot more impressed by the Sinbad film than the Spider-Man one.

For any who may be interested, The History Matters channel on YouTube has a series of ten-minute videos covering the post-Roman period in Great Britain, starting with this one: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ka60jZwZdAk&ab_channel=HistoryMatters

Anonymous said...

Colin, the official term used by the inter-governmental body during the north Irish peace process was Islands of the North Atlantic, and there are a number of alternatives used by historians and geographers, like the Anglo-Celtic Isles, West European Isles and even the more unwieldy Northwest European Archipelago.

The more straight forward Ireland and Britain seems more useful for practical purposes. Or, you know, the other way round would be acceptable too (;
In the event of Scottish independence, wouldn't that just mean the British isle was home to two states, Scotland and the United Kingdom of England and Wales?

Personally I'm in favour of more British countries, and think the Brexiters should follow their arguments through to a logical conclusion and bring the undemocratic, multi-cultural madness of the "England" experiment to an end by restoring the sovereignty and traditional borders of its peoples.
Its time to bring back the ancient lands of Cornwall, Wessex, Mercia, the peoples republic of South Yorkshire, Northumbria and the rest.
(Although I think Merseyside and Greater Manchester should be given the option of joining the Irish republic)

-sean

Charlie Horse 47 said...

Sean - And building on your theme Charlie and his pals think it's hi time for Brits to give Chagos back to Mauritius and the USA can go suck a big fat egg for backing you guys because of Diego Garcia.

Who's with Charlie???!!!

Colin Jones said...

We're all with you, Charlie!

Sean, those are interesting alternatives to "British Isles" and perfectly acceptable to me but I suspect the Brexit mob would think differently.

Phil and Steve, I don't remember Spider-Man and Sinbad as a double-bill at all. I saw Sinbad & The Eye Of The Tiger in October 1977 (Monday, October 24th 1977 to be precise) and the Spider-Man movie around Easter 1978.

Anonymous said...

Charlie, thanks. I'll check out that book. We have a great inter-library loan system here and you can get just about anything.
...maybe even the dreaded Necronomicon...
I have never once heard anything about a Spider-Man movie frim the late '70's. I assume it was crappy, but at the time I was maybe nine or ten years old and would've tried to see it at all cost.
...Now, Sinbad and the Eye of the Tiger, that one I DO remember. My aunt was one of the first people to get HBO and my little brother watched that at her house with our jaws open.
Maybe not quite as cool as The Golden Voyage of Sinbad, but I dug anything with Ray Harryhausen monsters in it. Those creepy, slow, jerky movements. Remember the giant horned troglodyte? Or the Minoton?
Phil, it's amazing what REH threw into his stories that had some basis in history. Like the Cult of the Assassins. That was a real thing. They say he was a voracious reader but I dunno where he found out about this stuff. Certainly the libraries near Cross Plains (and he did hit the library a lot) must've been sparse, right?

M.P.

Colin Jones said...

MP, "Spider-Man The Movie" was just two episodes of the TV series stuck together and released in cinemas as I recall. For some reason the TV series wasn't broadcast here so we got that "movie" as compensation instead.

I've just been watching Top Of The Pops on BBC 4 - it was the episode originally broadcast on Thursday November 22nd 1990, the day Margaret Thatcher resigned. If you're wondering, the No.1 song on that day was "Unchained Melody" sung by Bill Clinton - OK, it was actually by the Righteous Brothers but the solo Righteous Brother doing the singing looked like Bill Clinton. This episode of TOTP also featured the embarrassing white rapper Vanilla Ice (remember him?) who would probably be accused of cultural appropriation nowadays.

Anonymous said...

There was a pretty good song by the Smithereens called "Top of the Pops."
So that's where that came from!

M.P.

Anonymous said...

Colin, the late 70s Spidey was on tv in the UK, a little while after the "film" had been in cinemas.
Probably only in some areas? I remember seeing the Dr Strange tv pilot - with John Mills culturally appropriating the Ancient One well before Tilda Swinton - around the same time, and I'm pretty sure that was only broadcast regionally.

Ice, ice baby, dun dun dun di di dun dun, dun dun dun di di dun dun...
Poor old Vanilla Ice, too far ahead of his time - a few years later and he could have been Eminem. Or maybe not.

-sean

Colin Jones said...

Sean, I remember the Dr. Strange TV movie too (I didn't know it was a pilot - I thought it was just a one-off TV movie).

Anonymous said...

Colin - Jessica Walter (the villainess in the Dr.Strange TV movie) died just last week.

Phillip

Anonymous said...

Phillip, after mentioning a restored Northumbria, I was interested to read today that - ey up - t' Northern Independence Party are standing in the Hartlepool by-election next month.
Any thoughts?

Northerners of the north unite - you have nothing to lose but your south English overlords!
(And don't forget to watch out for the Danes too)

-sean

Anonymous said...

Sean - "Ey up!" is Yorkshire for "Hello!"

"Why aye!" is Geordie for "Hello!"

It's a tough one, Sean. In principle, I'm in favour of it. Unfortunately, the people who put themselves forward for these positions sometimes later turn out to be right wing nationalist nut jobs. There was something like this before, I seem to remember.

Of more immediate consideration, in West Yorkshire, soon we are supposed to be voting for a mayor! Labour's candidate is Tracey Brabin, the woman who was in ads for either Sainsbury, Asda or Tesco. Obviously, not a very effective campaign (at least for me!) My first reaction is a plague on all their houses, but I will have to consider it! South Yorkshire has already got a mayor, in Dan Jarvis.

Phillip

Killdumpster said...

Man, that Doctor Strange pilot was disappointing when it aired. It had second generation Spider Woman elements into it, to boot.

Charlie, dig that up if you haven't watched that. I know I burnt you that.

Anonymous said...

Phillip, the NIPs would seem to be disaffected lefties.
www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2021/apr/03/northern-independence-party-electoral-british-politics

I too have the option of choosing an actor as mayor, now that well-known freedom-loving anti-woke stop-cancel-culture campaigner Laurence Fox of Reclaim UK has declared himself as a candidate in London, but launching his campaign by slagging off most of the electorate while drinking Pimms wasn't a very effective strategy.
To be fair though, its unlikely I'd vote for him anyway.

-sean

Anonymous said...

Sean - Fox needs northern Lewis (Kevin Whately) to knock that Pimms out of his hand!

Phillip

Anonymous said...

Sean, maybe you Northerners should indeed "watch out" for the Danes! They are a ruthless, bloodthirsty lot, if we are to believe the Immigrant Song. Valhalla, they are coming.
Sure, they've been laying low for, what, 900 years or so? Perhaps this was merely a clever ploy.
Best keep your heads on a swivel!

...and don't trust the Dutch too much, either. Take it from me. They act dumb, but they are devious.

M.P.

Colin Jones said...

Sean, I've just been reading about the Battle of Clontarf and its' importance in Irish history. I've got an A-Level in history but the only thing I was taught about Ireland involved the campaign for Irish home rule in the late 19th/early 20th centuries.

Anonymous said...

M.P. - A Dutch admiral attached a broom to his ship's prow, declaring he'd sweep the English ships out of the sea!

Colin - Sean's the expert but I think, in Ireland, lots of things get named after Clontarf!

Phillip

Colin Jones said...

And Brian Boru is an Irish national hero, Phil. I assume the 1,000th anniversary of the battle of Clontarf in 2014 was a big event.