Sunday, 7 July 2024

Forty years ago today - July 1984.

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1984. A year made famous by George Orwell.

But could it be possible that it's the literature below that it should be renowned for?

Fantastic Four #268, Dr Doom

Dr Doom may be dead or stuck on another world or whatever it is that's happened to him but his mask is still very much amongst us. And, to prove it, breaks out of the Fantastic Four's trophy room, in order to go on a rampage through the Baxter Building.

But what can it mean?

Just who's controlling it?

And for what dread purpose?

Iron Man #184

Tony Stark's finally starting to get his life back on track but it's a life that might not last much longer, as the awesome power of Zodiac is now ranged against him, Rhodey and their accomplices who are making a road trip to a new home in California.

However, Zodiac are as useless as ever and their repeated murder attempts prove to be barely more than an inconvenience for our heroes.

The Spectacular Spider-Man #92

"What is... The Answer?" demands the front cover.

It turns out the answer is that The Answer is a highly adaptable assassin sent out by the Kingpin to test Spider-Man's abilities and resources, for future reference.

But what we all want to know is is he related to The Question?

And what would Steve Ditko make of it all?

Daredevil #208

There was a time when super-heroes only had to worry about super-villains. Now, thanks to this story, they also have to worry about their mothers.

It's true. The man without fear finds himself under relentless attack from the booby traps of a house that belongs to Death-Stalker's angry but dead mum.

Does our hero get out of it in one piece?

He does. But only just.

The Uncanny X-Men #183

I feel it's a story and a storyline best forgotten, in which Wolverine's so furious with Colossus, for no longer dating a fourteen-year-old, that he tricks him into getting into a bar fight with the Juggernaut who turns out to be a surprisingly good sport about it all.

Chris Claremont, what was going on in your head?

Thor #345

Thor has two problems on his hands. Not only is Lorelei manipulating him while pretending to be a perfectly normal woman he's just happened to bump into but Malekith king of the dark elves is out to capture something called the Casket of the Ancient Winters.

I've no idea what the Casket of the Ancient Winters is but I suspect it can't be good news.

The Incredible Hulk #297

From what I can remember of this one, the Hulk, now reverted to his old, bestial self, spends the entire issue asleep and having a bad dream. One that, upon awakening, leads him to set off in search of Dr Strange.

However, what's this? At the issue's conclusion, we discover it was no ordinary bad dream that led him to this course of action. It was, in fact, one created for him by that nocturnal nogoodnik Nightmare!

Conan the Barbarian #160

And it's not good news for the Cimmerian scrapper because, thanks to a blow to the head, he's gone blind but still has to win various fights and battles.

Needless to say, he does.

Because he's Conan.

And a little thing like not being able to see his opponents isn't going to stop him.

The Avengers #245

I'm struggling to recall much of what happens within. However, I do know it involves a fight with a bunch of Dire Wraiths who might be trying to steal a space rocket and that, despite what the cover may imply, no Captain Marvels are harmed during the making of this comic.

Captain America #295, Sisters of Sin

My recollections of this tale are also confused but, thanks to the cover, I do know the dynamic duo find themselves up against a bunch of female nasties called the Sisters of Sin.

I also feel like Cap beats up Baron Zemo - only for it to turn out he's not Baron Zemo at all and is in fact an old friend of his who's been dressed as the villain.

The Amazing Spider-Man #254

No sooner have the authorities retrieved the Hobgoblin's battle van from the river, than it's stolen by a determined hijacker.

Spider-Man knows it can only mean one thing. That the Hobgoblin is still alive and has reclaimed his property!

In fact, he's wrong. What it means is Jack O' Lantern's in town and wants it for whatever reasons he has for wanting it.

But that may be the least of the wall-crawler's worries because on the domestic front, Peter Parker's still being given the cold shoulder by Aunt May!

31 comments:

Anonymous said...

I believe that was David Mazzuchelli’s first issue of DD. Unfortunately he was inked by Danny Bulanadi who had the magical ability to make the work of any penciller look terrible.

The “story” was by Harlan Ellison. Like the Batman story he wrote around the same time, it was practically plot-less.

b.t.

dangermash said...

That X Men story might be rubbish but it featured in some Best Of Marvel Comics hardback book in the late 80s.

Along with ASM 31—33, FF 51-52, a Captain America origin issue penciled b6 Byrne, some Doctor Strange Story, two Thor issues (one where we find out Don Blake was created aged about 20 by Odin and had no life before that plus The Wrecker in maybe the next issue) and a short Wolverine story that had been used to make up the page count in some other comic at some point.

ASM And FF were classics, the rest less so. And strange not to an Avengers story in there.

dangermash said...
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dangermash said...

Ah, here it is. Also included The Kid Who Collected Spider–Man (a classic) and Hulk vs Sasquatch.


https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/387018356692?chn=ps&_ul=GB&norover=1&mkevt=1&mkrid=711-170562-880048-8&mkcid=2&mkscid=101&itemid=387018356692&targetid=2271778136771&device=c&mktype=pla&googleloc=9045027&poi=&campaignid=20958443039&mkgroupid=161516314961&rlsatarget=pla-2271778136771&abcId=9371139&merchantid=232708465&gad_source=1&gbraid=0AAAAAD_Lr1eRy-GnV72tTZhK1JWqA4pCk&gclid=Cj0KCQjw-ai0BhDPARIsAB6hmP4WJvxcF_464bwD7kr19fPHov6cKIE2vrqAxbkHbl2Ll6W5_167hkUaAiAAEALw_wcB

Matthew McKinnon said...

BT -

Yeah, this was DM's first DD. In he grand scheme of things it wasn't an amazing issue, but it was a very solid step up from the dross we'd had to suffer for the last year or so. And I was very pleased the following month when the story & artist continued, as I'd thought this was a one-off and we'd be back to bog-standard.

But you're right about Bulanadi - his work on DD was uniformly dreadful. I wonder what an interesting inker would have done with DM's pencils? I'm pretty sure he never had a decent or interesting inker until he started doing the job himself.

I seem to remember that FF cover, so I had that.

Thor is obviously great, though my interest was just ever-so-slightly beginning to wane from here on once the surprise had worn off.

I think I was buying but not really reading Iron Man at this point.

Is that another Bill Sienkiewicz Hulk cover?!

Anonymous said...

dangermash - 'Best of' collections are impractical, I suppose, excellent stories often being multi-parters unsuitable for such collections. Was that Black Panther FF story the 'Coal Tiger' one? I think a Marvel Digest Pocket book introduced it to me. Sasquatch vs the Hulk's a pretty solid punch-up - very good, but not 'the best'. For Captain America, Byrne was 'up there', with Baron Blood probably his 'best', but clearly too long for such a collection. So, some other Byrne got shoe-horned in, instead. Spidey - some early Ditkos, perhaps? Spidey's first Rhino punch-up is also very solid. Time to check the issues - yes, # 31-33's a worthy choice! Thor's had many 'bests' - e.g. Mangog - but they've been featured before - e.g. in Treasury Editions. Personally, I love 2 Ring Saga Thors (# 296 & # 299) - but I know other SDC members absolutely loath them!

Phillip

Anonymous said...

I have to say my interest in Thor started to wane a bit with the arrival of Malekith the Accursed too, Matthew. #@$*ing elves.

Steve, the Casket of Ancient Winters contained the Fimbulwinter of Ymir.
Essentially, it was a plot device to bring Surtur to the Earthly realm. In #345 iirc beyond the fields we know he finally completed the sword Twilight, and - DOOM! - the anvil's work was done!

I don't know anything about the rest of these comics. Except I think one of those sexy nasties (eh?) on the Cap cover was in an earlier issue, and is the Red Skull's daughter.
So I would hazard a guess oul' Skullface himself will turn up in time for #300.

-sean

dangermash said...

This was Black Panther"s first appearance, Phillip. Is the Coal Tiger one from that time when Marvel wanted to change his name to something less politically charged? If so, that's also in FF, probably before #100. Something where the FF travel to Africa and the cover is split in two vertically with one side showing the Thing in a prison cell?

Anonymous said...

Comics I do actually know something about this month (not published by Marvel):

DCs Saga of the Swamp Thing #26 by Alan Moore and Steve Bissette/John Totleben, which featured Etrigan the Demon - perhaps not a big surprise after Jason Blood turned up in the previous issue - and was pretty good; Camelot 3000 #11, notable for Brian Bolland's artwork (but not much else imo); the reliably entertaining Sword of the Atom Special #1, by Jan Strand and Gil Kane; and New Gods #2, reprinting a pair of early 70s Kirby classics, like the totally awesome 'Death Is The Black Racer!' (from the original #3).

Pacific Comics' Pathways to Fantasy #1, which included Barry Windsor-Smith's 'Stalking' - about a barbarian and his dog - John Bolton's full colour 'Goblin Market' based on an old Christina Rossetti poem, and some strangeness by Jeff Jones. Nice.
I think it was the last thing Pacific published? They went bust around this point.

Also, Continuity's Echo of Future Past #1, the first issue of an anthology title published by Neal Adams (and somewhat surprisingly the next few came out on schedule iirc). With fairly high production values, and stories drawn by Neal himself, Michael Golden and Arthur Suydam it looked pretty good.
Not the most interesting comic I've ever read though.

-sean

Anonymous said...

dangermash - My searching's fruitless - unless it's this one:

https://www.mycomicshop.com/search?TID=22088105

Or, maybe my mind's playing tricks - and the Coal Tiger was speculative, the name never being used in an actual FF story.

Phillip

dangermash said...

Ok Phillip I just cheated. Turns out I was thinking of FF #119 in which the Panther is renamed the Black Leopard.

https://marvel.fandom.com/wiki/Fantastic_Four_Vol_1_119

Don't know whether that was the story you were thinking of but I also googled Coal Tiger and he turns out to be (i) some alternative universe version of the Panther, and (ii) the name that Kirby came up with when he first invented the Panther.

Anonymous said...

FF 119 is a pretty decent one-issue story, having reread it only about 2.5 years ago to get ready for Steve’s post!

And only one of the comics has word balloons this month.

And that’s all Charlie can say because he don’t think he’s even seen the cover before of any of these!

Anonymous said...

I seem to think I had that AMAZING SPIDER-MAN, my fondness for Rick Leonardi’s stylish graphics overruling my loathing of The Black Spidey Costume.

And I recall that issue of FF being reviewed in THE COMICS JOURNAL. They called out Byrne for using the word “Masque” as if it was just a fancy way of spelling “mask”, when it’s actually short for “masquerade” .

b.t.

Anonymous said...

Far be it from me to defend John Byrne, b.t., but isn't wearing a mask a kind of masquerade? Maybe he wasn't as dumb as the Comics Journal assumed, and intended a double meaning...?

-sean

Anonymous said...

Geeze- ole Charlie is trying to catch up on his french 80s music on Chante France Nostalgie and instead we are getting the UK’s “Kim Wilde 80s Show.” I know she charted big in France with songs like “Kids in America” but to get her own show 40 years later???

Anonymous said...

Are you in France, Charlie? From here its looking tonight like the appeal of Le Pen's fascists has been somewhat exaggerated...

Anyhow, if we're going off topic onto random stuff, I just found out that since Thursday there's now only one team in the Premier League based in a Tory constituency. There's a lack of right wingers in the game, if you will.

https://www.fourfourtwo.com/news/only-one-single-football-league-club-now-exists-in-a-conservative-constituency-following-the-2024-general-election-results

Naturally Arsenal come out on top, represented by Independent MP Jeremy Corbyn.

-sean

Anonymous said...

sean, i think the TCJ reviewer’s point was that “masque” literally refers to an action, or performance, not an object. But yes, I wondered the same thing as you. I don’t own that particular issue of FF, so I don’t know if story’s title is a clever allusion to Doom’s latest sinister scheme or what.

Ultimately, a noun is a noun, and some fans just can’t resist showing off how smart they are, and even if Byrne really did trip himself up, it’s an easy flub to make and either way, who cares?

I only brought it up because it stood out to me back in the Long Ago, and i’ve remembered the difference in the literal definitions of the two words all these years.

But I’m still not sure if there’s a subtle difference between ”magick” and “magic” or if they’re exactly the same thing and putting a “k” at the end just looks fancier (and makes the author look a bit like a poser)…

b.t.

Anonymous said...

I would have had Daredevil and X-men this month but can’t remember anything about either. I do recall thinking Mazzucchelli and Billy the Sink should swap titles as Billy suited Daredevil and Mazzucchelli New Mutants. Of course this was before anyone realised how good Mazzucchelli would become. As Matt noted, he was badly let down by inkers early on (and was close to his first professional work). Semantics aside, I probably would have picked up that FF based on the cover had I seen it. The Sainsbury’s Saturday job, really curtailed my comic store and mart attendance. I definitely got Swampy #26, but it would have been a few months later.

I did, however, pick up Echo of Future Past, which seemed progressive and mature at the time, but was really wasn’t at all. I think the Adams stuff was reprints from a book and record package. Being fair, some of the art was pretty nice, and it had that full-colour/glossy paper combo.

I see my UK constituency Southend West & Leigh went to Labour for the first time ever (it was created in 1997 when Southend-on-sea was split into two). This has been a Conservative strong hold for decades (under David Amess, who you may recall was murdered in 2021) and so, presumably, a real indication of the Tory backlash (having idiots in charge will do that). I’ll be back in January and so am interested to gauge the mood.

DW

Anonymous said...

Steve

I’d forgotten that Colossus was supposed to be, what?, 19 at this time, and Kitty 14. A bit creepy judged my modern standards, but I don’t recall any commentary at the time. Claremont did tend to struggle with some of the soapy elements (that he was, ironically, known for).

DW

Anonymous said...

DW, I think back in the day I always WONDERED if Kitty and Colossus being paired up was creepy or not, but wasn’t sure. Partly because I didn’t really know how old he was supposed to be. But still — depending on the artist, Colossus tended to look like a grown-ass man and Kitty usually looked like a young teenage girl, so it did always feel a little weird.

Charlie, for dinner tonight we had chicken paprikas with sour cream and nokedli. It was SO freaking good.

b.t.

Anonymous said...

B.t.

I think they actually stated his age at some point, probably to confirm he was still a teenager, rather than mid twenties, as he appeared. Probably best they knocked the whole plot-line on the head.

DW

Matthew McKinnon said...

DW & Sean…

I didn’t actually get a copy of Swamp Thing 26 until Christmas this year.

Distribution was sometimes patchy where I lived, and 1984 was a particularly tricky year. It may have been that I just wasn’t fast enough to grab the two or three copies that made it all the way to Southport, but I missed out on 22, 23 and 26.

26 I asked for and received for Xmas 1984 (my parents were astonishingly good at sourcing back issues etc when I asked for them), but I don’t think I managed to find 22 and 23 until the early 1990s. Seems crazy now considering how Moore-obsessed I was, but I guess being a teenager had other distractions.

Anonymous said...

Matthew

I was also behind with Swamp Thing and ended up buying those Etrigan issues in one hit. I’d previously gone to every Westminster mart for a couple of years, but the Saturday Job ended that. While I was in the sixth form Gary Millidge, of Stranghaven fame, opened a specialty shop, locally, which provided a broad range of US and independent titles.

But, yeah, at that age there were plenty of distractions.

DW

Anonymous said...

Yeah, the early Moore Swamp Things sold out fast in comic shops, Matthew. The first one I got was #21, followed by #24. Not long after that second one I got #20, and then after that #s22 and 23 as newsstand copies.

Newsstand distribution was four months behind direct market imports back then, so you could pick up comics you missed at cover price if you were in a city and kept your eyes open (as I think I mentioned here before, I had to do that with a few of the early Simonson Thors too).

-sean

Anonymous said...

DW-

I agree with you about how great Mazzuccheli was (and maybe still is). I'm no expert on art, comic or otherwise, but there was an economy of lines or apparent simplicity to his stuff. I imagine there was a lot of detail that went into it, but we just saw the results.
In any case, I've always loved his stuff. It worked.
Especially for noir characters like Batman and Daredevil.
As far as the X-Men in the 1980's goes, yeah, I checked it out and didn't like it.
It was a soap opera. Too many characters running around talking about how tough they were and secretly thinking how tormented they were.
Yeesh.

M.P.

dangermash said...

No teams in the Premier League in Tory constituencies. Sean. Only one constituency in all four divisions: Bromley in the fourth tier.

Steve W. said...

Sean, thanks for the Casket of Ancient Winters info. The word "Fimbulwinter" will now be burned into my mind forever. :)

Anonymous said...

dangermash, Apologies for getting that wrong about the football, and overestimating the Tory party. Duh.

-sean

dangermash said...

No worries Sean - thanks for pointing me towards what's an amazing fact

Matthew McKinnon said...

*I should correct a typo: I didn't get Swamp Thing 26 until Christmas THAT year. 1984.

40 years would have been a long wait, wouldn't it?

Anonymous said...

Matt-

Who wouldn't want the Swamp Thing in their Christmas stocking?

...well, maybe not the Swamp Thing himself, that would freak everybody out. But an issue or a collection, maybe, sure.

M.P.