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50 years ago, this week, I made a discovery that would change my life and probably alter the entire course of human history.
That's right. It was the week in which I discovered Conan is pronounced Coe-nann and not Connun.
How did I discover that?
Because none other than Stan Lee himself appeared on ITV children's magazine show Magpie to plug the launch of Marvel UK's two new comics, The Super-Heroes and Savage Sword of Conan.
Not only that but he did so by appearing dressed up as J Jonah Jameson while presenter Mick Robertson was dressed as Spider-Man.
I believe it was also the first time I'd ever seen Stan Lee on TV, although I could be wrong.
I believe it was also the first time I'd ever seen Stan Lee on TV, although I could be wrong.
But what else was occurring in the world?
March 8th, 1975, was a crucial date when it came to TV because that was the day on which, evil creator of the Daleks, Davros first appeared in Doctor Who; finally, after all those years, giving the tyrannical trash cans a clearly-defined origin story.
And what of the UK singles chart? That was treated to a brand new Number One, as Telly Savalas managed the unlikely feat of topping the British Hit Parade thanks to his cover of the David Gates song If.
But there was no change atop the corresponding album chart, with Status Quo's On the Level retaining its supremacy.
That Telly Savalas track is, of course, a unique musical experience few will ever forget but other songs I approved of on that week's UK singles chart were:
Make Me Smile (Come Up and See Me) - Steve Harley and Cockney Rebel
Only You Can - Fox
Shame, Shame, Shame - Shirley and Company
Dreamer - Supertramp
How Does It Feel? - Slade
Your Kiss Is Sweet - Syreeta
Angie Baby - Helen Reddy
January - Pilot
and
Shoorah Shoorah - Betty Wright.
Should you wish to investigate the matter in greater depth, that singles chart can be located here.
While the adjacent album rankings reside within.
And blow me down if it's not the very first issue of one of the books I was just talking about, as the Silver Surfer gets his own mag and is now free to inflict his unique brand of self-pity and sanctimony upon the good people of Britain.
This being the sensational first issue that we the readers demanded, we do, of course, encounter the first half of the Surfer's origin, as relayed to us by John Buscema and Stan Lee.
But that's not all. We also find the first half of the opening outing for the X-Men when a man called Magneto hijacks an American missile base and has plans to do bad things with it.
I'm not totally sure what those bad things'll be but my God will they be bad.
But how ironic that he and the Surfer should get their own mags in the same week. Were there ever two characters who were more the polar opposite of each other? One, all moping and speechifying. The other, a man of few words, with barely any capacity for moping at all.
But was Conan technically Marvel's first British hero? I suppose it depends on exactly where Cimmeria was.
Personally, I like to think it was somewhere near Ashby-de-la-Zouch.
Personally, I like to think it was somewhere near Ashby-de-la-Zouch.
And Conan's not the only thwarter of wizards in this book. For its backup strip features the man who preceded him in more ways than one; King Kull.
I do believe we also receive a free poster with this issue. It's Neal Adams cover artwork for the US Savage Sword of Conan #2.
Admittedly, I think every single person who's been following this saga's already guessed the answer to both those questions, what with them having been somewhat telegraphed.
Elsewhere, the good news for Tony Stark is Happy Hogan's finally stopped being the Freak.
The bad news is Tony's now been ordered to testify to Congress about something or other.
The even worse news is that, on his way to testifying about something or other, he's teleported all the way to China by the Mandarin - and the Mandarin has a giant robot called Ultimo!
But Stark's problems are nothing compared to those of Thor. Not only has he been killed by the Wrecker, he recovers just in time to see the crowbar-carrying buffoon get flattened by the Destroyer. Which means our hero must now fight that unstoppable engine of destruction - totally oblivious to the fact it contains the spirit of his beloved Sif!
Marvel UK seems to be merrily printing the Hulk's adventures out of order. No sooner has our first Jarella encounter ended than we get a second. The one in which she visits our world, making Bruce Banner's day but quickly discovering she has to go back home or the sun will explode.
Meanwhile, I think Daredevil's still blind and still having to deal with the menace of Mr Hyde and the Cobra.
And the Fantastic Four are, yet again, trying to get the better of a Cosmic-powered Dr Doom.
Here's an odd issue because, not only do we get Part 2 of the armrest gripper in which the Avengers go back in time to discover just what happened to Bucky on the day he exploded, we also get a second Avengers adventure.
You probably guessed, from that cover, that it's a continuation of the ongoing Dr Strange storyline in which Ymir and Surtur have been unleashed upon Earth, and the good doctor must seek assistance from the world's mightiest team and the Black Knight, in order to tackle them
But, before all that, I do believe we encounter the final part of the triptych in which Iron Fist, Shang-Chi and the Sons of the Tiger must each thwart one third of Fu Manchu's latest scheme.
And, this week, it's Shang-Chi's turn to hog the spotlight.
I take it, from the cover, that the Jason and Alexander serial's concluded.
And I'm fairly certain that means we're getting the tale in which, following a battle between men and apes, a wounded gorilla and human must work together if they're to survive.
Even better, the week's second story is Marvel's adaptation of Black Destroyer in which an alien big cat is adopted by the crew of a spaceship, then sets about killing them off, one by one, before trying to steal their ship!
A less than stellar cover greets us but do we care about that when that cover informs us we're about to meet the man who will go on to become Marvel's first major movie star?
I can only mean Blade who encounters the king of the vampires on a cruise ship.
Next, I do believe Frankenstein's Monster is cheated of the revenge he wishes to inflict upon the last descendant of his creator.
And, to close the issue, Jack Russell's ordered to kill a reclusive millionaire, by a man who's holding his sister prisoner!
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The covers of Super-heroes Weekly provide 4 illustrations for Marvel's 1977 Superheroes card game. # 2 - Galactus; # 6 - Mephisto; # 44 - the Human Top; and # 45 - the Thing. As a proportion of issues published, higher than Marvel's other weeklies' covers, I reckon!
https://britishcomics.fandom.com/wiki/The_Super-Heroes_(Marvel_UK)_Vol_1
To me, Galactus in the card game's an improvement on the original picture:
https://www.hypnogoria.com/orrible_marveltrumps.html
https://britishcomics.fandom.com/wiki/The_Super-Heroes_(Marvel_UK)_Vol_1?file=Sh_muk2.jpg
Wine red looks better than purple, to me - but, each to his own!
Phillip
Was Conan the first British Marvel character...?
Its not a very British name is it, Steve - Conan? I looked him up on the wiki, and by Crom sure enough the Cimmerians were "descendants of the Atlanteans, and ancestors of the modern Gaels". So technically Conan is Irish. Kull too it would seem.
And I guess... Namor? (Tell you what, you can claim him if you want).
Surely the Black Knight was Marvel's first British character?
Followed by Blade.
-sean
I always thought it was pronounced “KO- nen” , not “Ko-NAN”. Whenever I’ve heard Sherlock Holmes’ creator’s name said out loud, that’s how it sounds. The U.S. late-night TV host too. Well! When time travel becomes possible, I’ll have to jump back to Cross Plains, look up REH (before he…you know) and ask him how HE thinks it should be pronounced…
b.t.
Ko-nan the Barbari-an!
The Super-Heroes and the weekly SSoC were not the only new comics launched in the UK this week, Steve.
IPC put out Battle #1, put together by young freelancers like Pat Mills and John Wagner following their new direction that would lead to Action and 2000AD, which they'd successfully established previously with, er... Tammy.
And Vulcan #1, which was unfortunately only distributed in Scotland for the
first few months. I say unfortunately because even though it was a reprint title, those reprints included the Trigan Empire - with the totally awesome artwork of Don Lawrence - and the Steel Claw and Kelly's Eye, drawn by the great Jesús Blasco and Solano López respectively. Thats a pretty good comic!
And it had a cover price of 7p. With Battle being only 6p, you can see how the new Marvel UK weeklies - at 8p each - had a bit of competition...
-sean
On Billboard’s Hot 100 chart for this week in 1975, we see a lot of the same artists and tunes we’ve been seeing for the past few weeks. Aside from ONJ hitting #1 with “Have You Never Been Mellow”, there ARE a few notable newbies:
#53 : “Philadelphia Freedom” by Elton John (I have a particularly vivid memory of listening to this one on the FM radio while reading Warren’s THE SPIRIT #8)
#74 : “Tangled Up In Blue” by Bob Dylan ( I’m not a huge Dylan fan but I freakin’ LOVE this song)
#89 : “How Long” by Ace
And just squeaking in at #100 is “Black Superman (Muhammad Ali)” by Johnny Wakelin & The Kinshasa Band
b.t.
Marvel UK had reached its' peak with 7 weekly titles and the first of the dreaded mergers still four months away.
Jason & Alexander wouldn't return until POTA #75 over a year later!
According to R E Howard he based Conan on the Picts of Scotland . Conan is an Irish/Scots name ( i.e. Arthur Conan Doyle as b.t notes) so he is kinda British / Irish.
Vulcan was a great comic nd those Scottish editions go for big money, I chucked my copies away years ago
I've always assumed Cimmeria was meant to be the Hyborian version of the British Isles (or the North-West European Archipelago if Sean's reading this).
By the way, is Cimmeria pronounced Kimmeria or Simmeria? I say Kimmeria.
Well Scotland and Ireland ( the island of) are part of the British isles ( Republic of Ireland being an independent country of course) Colin lol. Sorry I wasn't clear I just meant R. E. Howard based a lot of Conan on Scottish and Irish folklore which was ignited by a book he read on the Picts . Cimmeria bordered the land of the Picts but I actually always thought Conan came from the Middle East
I’ve always said “Simmeria”, but since “Konan” is a proto-“Kelt”, “Kimmeria” does make sense.
b.t.
bt, the Scottish football team Celtic is pronounced Seltic.
Paul, you thought Conan was an Arab????
Colin, there’s also a U.S. basketball team from Boston called the Celtics. They pronounce it “Seltics” too.
po-TAY-toe, po-TAH-toe…
b.t.
I'm not even sure how to pronounce "Celt" .
But who was it that decided how to spell Celtic words in the Roman alphabet?
Which is the alphabet we're using right now.
Because the words in Celtic ...have a lotta letters.
A drunk Irish monk?
It doesn't sound like it looks. All I'm saying. But a Polish guy once said the said the same thing to me about standard English, and he wasn't wrong.
M.P.
Conan is an Irish name and is still in use even for non-barbarian types. I met a chap called Conan a few years ago and he pronounced it 'Kon-un'. However, as we presumably have no idea how Robert E Howard intended it to be pronounced, we should probably stick with Stan Lee's advice as to the pronunciation as this seems to be the commonly accepted option.
Stan Lee knew better than people actually called Conan how the name is pronounced? I don't think so. Of course it's 'Kon-un'.
Also, 'Scotland' comes from the Latin 'Scotia'. It literally means Land of the Irish.
Personally, I think it should be given back, along with those six counties in the north the British are still holding on to. And Stonehenge.
-sean
As regards CoNAN vs CoNUN, on certain words, with English people, the emphasis is on the second syllable (e.g. conTROVersy) whereas, with Americans, it's on the first. Just a theory - probably many exceptions!
Charlie - Heaven 17 interviewed on BBC Breakfast this morning, ahead of a new tour (Sound with Vision).
Fitz defends himself against Liverpool fanatic, Albie, using the word 'Celtic':
https://www.tiktok.com/@sigmand.freud/video/7192013404024933638
Phillip
I did indeed think Conan was from the middle East Colin, with all the Imimagery and the Tarim and his army wore Persian style helmets etc. Sounded more relevant than Irish or Scottish to me at the time
Celts as in the people of an area is pronounced with a strong K , Celtic the footy club as noted, is pronounced with an S ( and slightly differently by Rangers fans lol)
Sean, Yes strange the crossover between Scotland and Ireland, as you say Scotia meaning Irish etc. Of course the area/country was also called Caledonia a much more Conan type name .
One of the most strangely pronounced names is Menzies some folk use Ming-is others Men-zis ?
Konan the Kimmerian is very silly sounding to English speakers’ ears. Comedians well know that using “k” words is a short-cut to getting yuk yuks from the crowd. It is Simmerian.
Captain Kronos, vampire hunter & Captain Kremmen, on Kenny Everett. At least one provokes laughter - or neither, depending on your sense of humour!
Phillip
Personally I pronounce it Con-an the Simmerian.
Paul, my father was Scottish and he always made a fuss about Menzies being pronounced properly as Ming-is.
And the former Lib Dem leader Menzies Campbell was always called Ming Campbell.
Paul, you're right that Conan's adventures often took place in Middle East-type settings but Conan himself was regularly referred to as a northern barbarian who had ventured south to civilisation.
Did Stan Lee appear on Magpie because he'd been told it was cooler than stuffy old Blue Peter?
Magpie had Jenny Hanley and Mick Robertson with his rock star-y good looks while Blue Peter had John Noakes and Shep.
This is kooky.
Loch Lomond scotch whiskey is featured in Tintin. Is it worth a try? Any of you seen Loch Lomond?
CH
UK Dudes! I see UK’s Forbidden Planet participating in Free Comic Book DAY in May!!! Mark your calendars!!!
Being an American and never having even heard of Magpie, I mostly know Jenny Hanley as the exceptionally pretty female lead in one of the worst Hammer films, SCARS OF DRACULA, and a blink-and-you’ll-miss-her appearance in ON HER MAJESTY’S SECRET SERVICE.
b.t.
Paul:
BTW, I enjoyed your THAT WAS THEN post about Neal Adams’ work on Conan and other barbarians. To this day, I think Roy Thomas made a HUUUUGE mistake by not being more patient with Adams on the “Shadows In Zamboula” story. Sure, I know Adams was notoriously bad about deadlines, but “Shadows” could have been another Adams masterpiece like “Curse of the Golden Skull” in CTB 37 — meaning “Well Worth Waiting For”. Instead, having Tony DeZuniga and his pals ink the majority of the pages turned it into just another SSOC story. Obviously, I’m still holding a grudge!
b.t.
bt, Jenny Hanley's mother was also an actress, called Dinah Sheridan who starred in classic British films such as GENEVIEVE (1953) and THE RAILWAY CHILDREN (1970).
Charlie, I'd never heard of Loch Lomond Scotch until you mentioned it. My local Tesco sells Scotch whiskey brands including Bells, Whyte & Mackay and The Famous Grouse but not Loch Lomond.
Thanks b.t. glad you enjoyed the Adams covers. I would have loved to have seen him do more Conan work at Marvel at this time when he was at his peak.
I loved Adams’ “painted” style. I was into Edgar Rice Burroughs as a teen but had never read a Tarzan book until Ballantine put out a bunch of ‘em with Adams covers (I think I bought all of those). His version of Pellucidar on the cover for TARZAN AT THE EARTH’S CORE (with the landscape curving upward to the sky just as ERB described) was pretty mind-blowing!
I used to have a poster of one of his paintings tacked up to my bedroom wall when I was 16. A somewhat generic barbarian dude stabbing a slug-like monster that was attacking from overhead. Honestly, it’s not one of his better pieces:D
b.t.
Oh, and his Billy Jack cover on DEADLY HANDS OF KUNG FU was pretty great too.
b.t.
I meant Stan Lee's opinion on how to pronounce the name of the character in the Marvel Comics he published.
There was a report about recycling in Malaysia on BBC Radio 4 this morning which claimed that only 9% of plastic actually gets recycled and that by 2050 there'll be more plastic in the oceans than fish. I also heard this week that pollinating insects have declined by 24% worldwide since the 1980s. Add in climate change and it's clear we are living through an ecological disaster. How much longer can this continue before the reckoning comes?
Well COLIN… there is an unnerving article in the New Yorker called “The End of Children.” (March 3, 2025). The think tanks suspect that 2023 was the first year that the birth rate of the planet as a whole was below replacement level. Population levels in industrialized countries are in free fall now. South Korea will have only 12 grandchildren for 100 adults in two generations.
The funniest thing in the article was how African society can’t accept they aren’t breeding so prolifically. Per the article, there is a heavily circulating conspiracy theory in Nigeria in their tabloids that french secret service are stealing their mens’ penisis and bringing them back to Europe to help procreate Europeans. (This is so dumb on so many levels humans do need a mass extinction event. About as dumb as saying “your kid goes to school today as johnny and comes home in the afternoon as Jane because the school gave him a sex change operation. And tens of millions here believe it and voted for trump.)
A total collapse of the global population is the only thing that will save Mankind I think, Charlie. Apparently there are about 200,000 chimpanzees in the world but 8 BILLION humans which is insane.
Sounds like we've probably still got a while before the chimps get together with the orangutans and gorillas and take over, Colin.
-sean
M.P., perhaps you are unaware of how Latin letters work in Irish? Because the language sounds exactly like it looks.
Unlike English, which is very irregular.
-sean
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